I have a much better solution

by Whaleoil on December 28, 2009 · 16 comments

I note in the news that the US is again react­ing to a ter­ror alert by shut­ting the gate after the horse has bolted. These actions are only piss­ing peo­ple off and won’t do any­thing to halt a deter­mined terrorist.

My solu­tion how­ever is far bet­ter. It stops ter­ror­ism dead in its track, literally.

Just issue every pas­sen­ger and every crew mem­ber with a Glock 25 (sim­ple easy to use with lit­tle or no train­ing) and one bul­let. One bul­let isn’t enough to hijack a plane and the ter­ror­ist if he/she tries will be filled with lead in about 20 sec­onds by the other 200 pas­sen­gers. The Glock 25 is in .380 Auto which is com­pact and light, but has a rel­a­tively short range and less stop­ping power than other mod­ern pis­tol car­tridges. it gen­er­ates only 1000 f/ps (300 m/s) muz­zle veloc­ity com­pare that with the tra­di­tional 9mm which gen­er­ates 435 m/s (1,430 ft/s). That dif­fer­ence is big enough to put holes in ter­ror­ists but unlikely to pen­e­trate an air­liner cabin. You could use a .22lr pis­tol but with a hyped up ter­ror­ist that just might only make him angry.

You could incor­po­rate how to shoot ter­ror­ists into the pre-flight brief­ing, some­where after the seat-belt and life-jacket explanation.

The pis­tols can be handed in at the end of the flight as pas­sen­gers leave the aircraft.

To show how easy they are to use watch these videos as a shooter loads and racks the slide with only one hand, so even crip­ples could do it.

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John Boy December 27, 2009 at 11:48 pm

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Imag­ine – one shot going off on a plane full of armed Amer­i­cans. Shoot 279 times and ask ques­tions later – if any­ones is alive.

anon December 28, 2009 at 12:10 am

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what hap­pens if 20 hijack­ers all board the same plane? They’d be able to take over the plane – after all most pas­sen­gers in the plane are too remote to them to get a shot off. In fact the hail of bul­lets you’d unleash on a flight from Texas to Alabama would prob­a­bly be enough to bring the plane down or at least kill every­one on board in the crossfire.

And no point issu­ing my grand­mother with a glock – she’d just hand it over to the first per­son that asked her for it. And why wouldn’t a ter­ror­ist just get a win­dow seat, pop the win­dow at 35000 feet with his one bul­let and be done with it that way?

The only work­able answer is El Al style pro­fil­ing but that will never work in the US because the air­lines are too cheap and Home­land Secu­rity too bureau­cratic and incompetent.

Kiwireader December 28, 2009 at 2:10 am

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I have an even bet­ter soltion, albeit a longer term one that would hope­fully fix part of the cause of extremism.

The West needs to stem the tide of Islamic immi­gra­tion as a mat­ter of imme­di­ate pri­orty. Islam and West­ern cul­ture and val­ues do not mix, as proven in many Euro­pean towns and cities where there are enclaves of rad­i­calised mus­lims, who have no desire to assim­i­late. The present dire sit­u­a­tion will only worsen if we still let them in. On the flip side, we should also stay out of the mid­dle east and north africa, and they can fight to their hearts con­tent. If we do both of those things, they should have no rea­son to want to blow us up.

On a side note, I thought this was an inter­est­ing (and sad) clip about rad­i­cal Islam in Bel­gium (a sit­u­a­tion likely con­sis­tent with most towns in West­ern Europe) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYDuSptRR00&

Theresaj December 28, 2009 at 2:48 am

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I agree kiwireader..the prob­lem is islamic immi­gra­tion and sub­se­quent non integration…but obama is a muslim..by mus­lim tra­di­tion his father was a mus­lim so he is one..No church ser­vice for the Oba­mas this Christ­mas , orga­nized stu­pid ball mak­ing before Christmas..big fuss over ramadan etc..
My hus­band comes from an islamic country..living there for a num­ber of years turned me into a nation­al­ist and made me extremely anti-jihadists…The very sad prob­lem with NZ today is that peo­ple are so naive it is almost inde­scrib­able. Egypt­ian Chris­tians liv­ing here say that NZ will be an absolute push over for the muslims..Aussies say the same thing…They sim­ply can­not believe NZ’s col­lec­tive naivety..but then all of these items are totally played town in our news papers.
I per­son­ally know of two ter­ror­ist type sit­u­a­tions in ChCh..one hap­pened at the same time as 9/11…the other some time later when the cops went to the tech and hauled a stu­dent out of a class­room and took her straight to the airport…Most NZers would not believe these things are hap­pen­ing here…

barnsleybill December 28, 2009 at 2:49 am

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Kiwireader nailed it. Unfor­tu­nately you can­not put the shit back in the don­key. Too late mate.
So, as an alter­na­tive to the lunatic sug­ges­tion from cameron.. How about this.
Naked air…… No hand lug­gage and every­body boards stark­ers.
There are numer­ous advan­tages to this briliant plan;
1. Lighter load means less fuel used.. Pleases the green­tards
2. A lot less foood will be eaten, I always get sat next to peo­ple who make me sick, a lot less eat­ing will occur. Please the green­tards for rea­son 1 and the fact that less meat will get eaten.
3. The air­lines will have to expand busi­ness class (nobody wants to sity near the track­suit wear­ing mongs in cat­tle) and will all return to prof­itabil­ity.
Try con­ceal­ing a weapon when you are naked…

Kiwireader December 28, 2009 at 3:32 am

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Even nudity won’t stop the Jihadis, unless they intro­duce pre-flight anal cork­ing to ensure the ter­ror­ists don’t try another attempt like the one on that Saudi princes life.

rawha December 28, 2009 at 4:37 am

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sorry, kiwireader, but stop­ping islamic immi­gra­tion won’t stop peo­ple already in n.z. from con­vert­ing. make some ille­gal and the only thing that is affected is its allure. i can imag­ine lots of the bros grow­ing beards and hail­ing a mys­tic sky-god five times a day.

the answer’s that there’s no answer. sorry to be defeatist, but extrem­ists exist among us now in all num­ber of guises. try­ing to ret­ro­spec­tively limit their move­ment to and from enzed won’t achieve a damned thing.

get­ting wise to our nat­ural ten­dan­cies would prob­a­bly be a start. ter­ror­ism is really just inspired group-think. start teach­ing kids to be more indi­vid­u­al­is­tic and you’ll reduce their pre­dis­po­si­tion toward com­mu­nal depen­dency. cur­rently, the kids are learn­ing ‘lead­er­ship’ comes from oth­ers, like the gov­ern­ment or other so-called sym­bols of author­ity. teach the lit­tle tykes that the secret to liv­ing hap­pily is liv­ing freely and inde­pen­dently and these jihadists won’t have lit­tle kiwi minds to fuck with.

Kiwireader December 28, 2009 at 5:33 am

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rawha, you have a good point re those already in New Zealand. How­ever, I think stop­ping the immi­gra­tion of those from Islamic coun­tries would go a long way sti­fling the poten­tial devel­op­ment of extrem­ists in NZ.

It is ONLY because of our rel­a­tively small num­bers of Mus­lims that we don’t have the same trou­bles (yet) as other coun­tries (read Aus­tralia, Bel­gium, Nether­lands, Ger­many, USA, France, Den­mark, Swe­den, etc etc). The more that reside here, the more kids they have, the more fam­ily and rel­a­tives they bring in, and the more our poten­tial for trou­ble increases expo­nen­tially. It has hap­pened in every other West­ern coun­try of any sig­nif­i­cance, so there is noth­ing to sug­gest the same thing won’t hap­pen here when they reach a crit­i­cal pop­u­la­tion mass, what­ever that is.

As for peo­ple con­vert­ing in NZ, there will always be deranged peo­ple doing daft things, but we don’t need to encour­age them by giv­ing them role models.

Remem­ber, with Mus­lims the buck stops with the Koran, not our laws. I respect their right to believe that, but not in our country.

Theresaj December 28, 2009 at 8:16 am

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Yes kiwi reader , his­tory in other coun­tries tells us they start act­ing up when they get to about 10 per cent of the pop­u­la­tion and then it is all down hill from there. There is the issue of breed­ing once they are here..all that tax payer funded mater­nity care…In ChCh , they opened a new wom­ens hos­pi­tal with great fan­fare. In no time at all , the new hos­pi­tal was too small…Why? Noone quite wants to answer that ques­tion but I can tell you why. There are all these mus­lim women hav­ing 7/8/9/10 children…soon ChCh will be like Hol­land where the mus­lim push chair brigade roll their pushchairs over the feet of the elderly Dutch. They also demand spe­cial treat­ment which puts a lot of strain on already stretched hos­pi­tal staff. The Can­ter­bury DHB is 58 mil­lion in debt…They have been slash­ing ser­vices to the elderly but I haven’t heard any men­tion of peo­ple choos­ing to have more than four or five chil­dren hav­ing to pay for mater­nity care.
Rawha…Maori and Abo­rig­ine have been delib­er­ately targeted…as have Fijians , Ton­gans etc…Malaysia is a major cen­tre for islamic mis­sion­ary train­ing. They have been head­ing out into the Pacific for years…Brazil is also now a big field of oppor­tu­nity for them..
Merry Christ­mas every­one and Happy New Year.

Chris Gale December 28, 2009 at 9:50 am

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Of coursem we can pray ahd help peo­ple cov­n­ert from Islam.

Which is happening…

We need to clearly stick to our laws and not com­pro­mise. We need to insist on pro­fil­ing flights that travel through NZ airspace.

And only a mong trusts the TSA. Too polit­i­cal, too incompetent.

Theresaj December 28, 2009 at 8:29 pm

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Chris…what is the T.S.A.? excuse my ignorance.

mediatart December 28, 2009 at 9:06 pm

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Trans­port Safety Admin­is­tra­tion. They had to get the gov­ern­ment to take over air­port screen­ing as the pri­vate com­pa­nies were breath­tak­ingly incom­pe­tent.
In this case the guy was screened in Ams­ter­dam ( sup­pos­edly).
As for arm­ing the pas­sen­gers, they all­ready do that with trained air mar­shalls who are ingog­nito.
That is they way to do it.
Oth­er­wise there are far more men­tally ill peo­ple than ter­ror­ists ( sim­i­lar think­ing). see our last ‘hijack­ing’ and the crazy Somali woman. Is she wan­der­ing our air­ports as we speak ?

notsonic December 28, 2009 at 10:21 pm

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Shoot­ing holes in a pres­surised air­craft at 30,000 feet?

Great plan cammy, no won­der you can’t get a job.

Oswald Bastable December 29, 2009 at 3:30 am

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Just give every­one on board a baton.

Same result.

No holes in the aircraft!

Theresaj December 29, 2009 at 9:13 am

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I don’t think any­one knows that there are definetly more men­tally ill peo­ple than terrorists..Here in NZ , men­tally ill peo­ple rate so lowly that very poor sta­tis­tics are kept about them.
There are poten­tially mil­lions of ter­roists if not actual fall guys, the pup­pet mas­ters behind them and those who cel­e­brate their suc­cesses how­ever small. The guys behind this had been let out of Gitmo , done their stint in Saudi art ther­apy classes and then car­ried on with their sacred intent. The guy arrested was some impres­sion­able fool.

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