It’s the principle

by Whaleoil on December 15, 2009 · 22 comments

A friend of mine was at Ware­house at the week­end buy­ing Christ­mas presents. He spent a con­sid­er­able amount of time select­ing the gifts he wanted to give and then approached the check-out.

After stand­ing in line for a very long time he even­tu­ally arrived at the counter and the cashier started ring­ing up the items. There were a few but not too many, they would all fit in one bag.

And that is where the wheels fell off.

The cashier had com­pleted the total and said “That’ll be $350.00 thanks and would you like a bag for those”

My friend said “Yes Please, that would be handy”

The cashier responded by adding ten cents onto the bill, ny friend queried this and was told that they charged 10 cents for the bags. This was ten cents too far for my friend.

He said “take it off, you offered me a bag and I accepted, no men­tion was made of the charge until after I had accepted.” The cashier refused and the super­vi­sor called. Same story. “Sorry Sir, store pol­icy, 10c for the bag”

My friend at that point said “Well you can just go put all that stuff back on the shelf because I’m not pay­ing for a stu­pid bag that costs about a tenth of a cent, I wouldn’t even pay 1 cent for it”, and promptly walked out leav­ing the $350.00 of goods and two gold­fish mim­ic­k­ing staff mem­bers gaping.

He tells me it is the prin­ci­ple of the mat­ter and I agree.

The Ware­house seems to want to forgo a sale of $350.00 in order to max­imise their profit on a bag that would have cost then less than a tenth of a cent to but and that they sell at ten cents. Even at ten cents the bags are crap any­way, it is an affront to charge even that.

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Ian Cousins December 15, 2009 at 3:00 pm

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Gotta agree – its the prin­ci­ple that counts and NZ busi­nesses are all look­ing to gouge the cus­tomer when­ever and wher­ever they can – clas­sic exam­ple was the super­mar­ket chain who con­tinue to charge for bags in the South Island but who rescinded this prac­tice in the North Island due to con­tin­u­ing com­plaints from their cus­tomers… per­son­ally I don’t shop with them any more (and won’t even though the prac­tice has stopped)…

lance December 15, 2009 at 3:02 pm

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This is some­thing that I agree with you on – amaz­ing. I’ve also writ­ten about this poor busi­ness prac­tice – with Bor­ders in Auckland.

Let’s assume the ware­house makes 20% gross profit on the $350 of goods – that’s $70.

Let’s assume the bag costs 3 cents, so they make 7 cents a bag.

That means they need to sell 1000 bags to make up for the lost trans­ac­tion. The assump­tions may be wildly wrong, but add to the lost trans­ac­tion value the neg­a­tive pub­lic­ity from the occa­sional per­son that gets mad and goes public.

Ben December 15, 2009 at 3:37 pm

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The Ware­house charges for bags to dis­cour­age peo­ple from using plas­tic bags. Since they intro­duced this pol­icy, bag usage has dropped about 60%. All of the money they receive from the sale bags is given to local char­i­ties. So this isn’t an exam­ple of a busi­ness look­ing to gouge the customer.

Whaleoil December 15, 2009 at 2:46 am

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What’s wrong with plas­tic bags?

Scanner December 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm

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Ian Cousins, your a dick, the gro­cery chain involved was Food­stuffs and the charg­ing for bags was all up front, not added after the trans­ac­tion was made which is where WO is com­ing from.
After peo­ple like you whinged about they made a com­mer­cial deci­sion to drop the 5c charge.
At least some­one was pre­pared to reduce the num­ber of bags that will last 1000 years in a land­fill, in the case of the Whare­house how­ever they are prob­a­bly mak­ing 200% or more on their bags, and most of of it will fin­ish up in Tin­dals pocket.

Madeleine December 15, 2009 at 3:55 pm

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How stu­pid of the Ware­house staff!

To think that yes­ter­day at Lin­coln Rd Ware­house I bought some­thing, total far less than your friend, and the assis­tant sim­ply put it in a bag and handed it to me. I, know­ing of their studpi 10c a bag-to-save-the-planet pol­icy, scoured my receipt to see if I had been charged and I had not – the bag was given to me free.

So it seems that their pol­icy ranges from non-enforcement of their pol­icy to dra­con­ian vio­la­tions of com­sumer law (if you say you do not wish to buy some­thing that has been rung up at the til, the shop has to take it off).

Michaels December 15, 2009 at 4:14 pm

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I had the same story a cou­ple of weeks ago.
I decide a trip to the far north and on the way dis­cov­ered the wife didn’t pack a few items so off to the Ware­house in Whangarei.
$87 later and I was asked if I wanted a bag, I said jok­ingly, “no, I’ll just carry every­thing…. OF course I want a bag!!!”… That’ll be an extra .10cents thank you… Par­don I replied…. he repeated him­self and I sim­ply said, if you charge me I will leave it all here on the counter, to which he said… Sorry sir it’s store pol­icy. I told him I would shop else­where and walked out empty handed. Fuck the Ware­house I say.

Ayrdale December 15, 2009 at 4:17 pm

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Mate…typo head­ing….

Of course it’s the prin­ci­ple, the prin­ci­ple being that Tin­dall would like us all to feel guilty about accept­ing a filthy plas­tic bag ( a trite sym­bol of our suc­cess­ful cap­i­tal­ist way of life) and wants to demon­strate his care for the planet and appeal to the hyp­o­crit­i­cally sen­si­tive greens among us, by ask­ing us to pay for the con­ve­nience of car­ry­ing our garbage home from his emporium.

democracymum December 15, 2009 at 4:36 pm

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Its is the same prin­ci­ple in effect over the anti smack­ing legislation.

Every year count­less chil­dren are being bashed, abused and mur­dered in New Zealand and Sue Brad­ford (like the Ware­house shop assis­tant) stands up in Par­lia­ment and says Let’s ban par­ents from smack­ing their children.

It’s the leg­isla­tive equiv­a­lent of being asked to pay 10c after spend­ing $350 in store.

Colonel Masters December 15, 2009 at 4:48 pm

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I rec­om­mend Joanne Black’s col­umn on New World’s charg­ing for bags where she exposed the rank hypocrisy of mak­ing YOU feel guilty about want­ing a bag to carry goods home in while at the same time sell­ing over-packaged crap.

http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3599/columnists/13223/see-through_packaging.html

Pleas­antly right-wing for a Lis­tener contributor.

Pete December 15, 2009 at 4:50 pm

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A cou­ple of points on this:
1. I find the Ware­house posi­tion to be most hyp­o­crit­i­cal. Arguably they retail more use­less crap than the rest of NZ retail com­bined, but they want to com­pro­mise cus­tomer ser­vice to assuage their cor­po­rate guilt, and they do it by com­pro­mis­ing on cus­tomer ser­vice..
2. Over the week­end I spent over $200 and after it had been rung up and paid they asked if I wanted to pay for a bag. If my 9 yr old hadn’t been with me I would have got stuck in.
3. I told New World to put over $300 worth of gro­ceries back on the shelf when they gave me a lec­ture on con­ser­va­tion. (I had just planted 30,000 trees on my place). They were very sur­prised that a cus­tomer would do this.
$. On a very wet day I had pur­chased a stack of books at Bor­ders, com­pleted the sale and then got told I needed to pay 10c for a bag. I asked for my money back and got a lec­ture on con­ser­va­tion. Igno­rant prats!
Sorry, for large $$$ pur­chases I expect to be GIVEN some­thing to carry my pur­chases in.
All my bags are recy­cled anyway.

bill hicks December 15, 2009 at 5:15 pm

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I do not shop at the whare­house or bun­nings for the same reason………They charge for bags…….

dead December 15, 2009 at 5:54 pm

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Funny how they claim to want to help the envi­ron­ment. And how do they do this TAX YOU!!!!

Pedrovsky December 15, 2009 at 6:23 pm

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Les­son… try the high street… I am com­pletely under­whelmed by the new Gis­borne Big Bun­nings and took myself off to the lit­tle ole mom & pop hard­ware store. Parked right in front, staff know where every­thing is and have prod­uct knowl­edge and I’m happy to pay 25c more per item.

Joann Ransom December 15, 2009 at 7:30 pm

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$2,000 on at The Ware­house in Levin – and yep I argued unsuc­cess­fully for 4 free bags to get the slip­pery things to the car…. wish I’d had the balls to walk away and leave them all there.

petal December 15, 2009 at 8:14 pm

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Noth­ing new here boys.

When I buy a $2000 fridge, and they tell me it costs $25 to deliver it, I tell them to stuff it.

I remem­ber a $10,000 com­puter (dur­ing the 80s), and they added a $15 power cable. I chal­lenged them to give me a free cable or lose the sale…

Some­times com­pa­nies lose per­spec­tive, and need a reminder as to why they are in business.

Cadwallader December 15, 2009 at 10:44 pm

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Shop­ping at the ware­house is a bit like dat­ing a fat bird: Both can be fun until your friends find out! I only go there after dark and take my own bag to pre­vent being caught out giv­ing them my custom!

Amerikiwee December 16, 2009 at 4:06 am

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Good on him. I was asked yes­ter­day if I wanted a bag…I was in a hurry and didn’t even real­ize I was being charged extra for it.

We stopped shop­ping at New World until they quit charg­ing extra for bags…we didn’t need the envi­ron­men­tal lec­ture, espe­cially when we pay New World’s high prices already – I enjoyed Countdown’s adver­tis­ing of their use of plas­tic bags at the time.

John Boy December 16, 2009 at 7:24 am

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I selected a child for the church Angel Tree project (anony­mously buy a present for a prisoner’s child). I was blessed because the only one left was a 10 year old boy who wanted an edu­ca­tional book and a watch. Most of the rest had wanted a Ware­house voucher. They’ll get $25 (the spend­ing limit) of junk, mine gets $100 (rules schmools) of stuff care­fully cho­sen. Hope­fully the dif­fer­ence between value and cheap will be learned but hav­ing done what I can he’s in God’s hands for that.

Grinch December 16, 2009 at 10:16 am

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How to get your 10c worth

1. Pur­chase loads of stuff
2. Unpack­age every­thing at the counter
3. Suf­fer abuse from queue & cashier
4. Push very tall messy use­less pile aside
5. Smile & Ask for a bag
6. 40min later “walk away”

Ayrdale December 16, 2009 at 12:45 pm

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But fair go for Bun­nings, I’ve never ever been asked to pay for a plas­tic bag, but am given if I ask a free card­board box to take my stuff home.

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