Warmists distancing themselves from Corrupt Scientists

by Whaleoil on November 24, 2009 · 10 comments

This is from George Mon­biot one biggest warmists.

It’s no use pre­tend­ing that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the cli­matic research unit at the Uni­ver­sity of East Anglia could scarcely be more dam­ag­ing. I am now con­vinced that they are gen­uine, and I’m dis­mayed and deeply shaken by them.

Yes, the mes­sages were obtained ille­gally. Yes, all of us say things in emails that would be excru­ci­at­ing if made pub­lic. Yes, some of the com­ments have been taken out of con­text. But there are some mes­sages that require no spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evi­dence here of attempts to pre­vent sci­en­tific data from being released, and even to destroy mate­r­ial that was sub­ject to a free­dom of infor­ma­tion request.
Worse still, some of the emails sug­gest efforts to pre­vent the pub­li­ca­tion of work by cli­mate scep­tics, or to keep it out of a report by the Inter­gov­ern­men­tal Panel on Cli­mate Change. I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data dis­cussed in the emails should be re-analysed.

I apol­o­gise. I was too trust­ing of some of those who pro­vided the evi­dence I cham­pi­oned. I would have been a bet­ter jour­nal­ist if I had inves­ti­gated their claims more closely.

The sci­ence is cor­rupted, it is far from set­tled. What’s the rush Nick and John? Pull back now.

Even warmist Tim Flan­nery who con­fronted on Late­line with the emails of the global warm­ing con­spir­acy, con­cedes holes in the “sci­ence is set­tled” argu­ment and admits to what he never has before:

We’re deal­ing with an incom­plete under­stand­ing of the way the earth sys­tem works… When we come to the last few years when we haven’t seen a con­tin­u­a­tion of that (warm­ing) trend we don’t under­stand all of the fac­tors that cre­ate earth’s climate…We just don’t under­stand the way the whole sys­tem works… See, these peo­ple work with mod­els, com­puter mod­el­ling. So when the com­puter mod­el­ling and the real world data dis­agree you’ve got a very inter­est­ing prob­lem… Sure for the last 10 years we’ve gone through a slight cool­ing trend.

And on these now-admitted uncer­tain­ties we must impose mas­sive new taxes, shut entire indus­tries, hand bil­lions to the Rus­sians and Chi­nese and change the way we live?

The sci­ence isn’t settled.

As for the hack­ing expla­na­tion from the dodgy, cheat­ing sci­en­tists. How about this then for an expla­na­tion? It meets Occam’s Razor perfectly.

Charles of WUWT offers a new and inter­est­ing the­ory of the file: that the file was not “stolen”, it was “found”. See
here. Charles’ epi­thet: “Never assume mal­ice where stu­pid­ity will do”.

Here’s his scenario.

The col­la­tion of files was made by the uni­ver­sity in con­nec­tion with the FOI appeal – an appeal that they were going to thor­oughly doc­u­ment because of all the pub­lic­ity dur­ing the sum­mer. They then used the intranet server to share the file among inter­ested par­ties for the FOI review on Nov 13.

And then between Nov 13 and Nov 17, some­one came along and found this aston­ish­ing file sit­ting on the server. Sound impossible?

Read last summer’s posts on the “Mole” at CRU. Phil Jones had refused to pro­vide sta­tion data claim­ing that it was cov­ered by all sorts of con­fi­den­tial­ity agree­ments (though he couldn’t find the agree­ments and couldn’t remem­ber who they were with.

One day in late July, I dis­cov­ered that they had left sta­tion data ver­sions from 2003 and 1996 on their server – with­out web­page links but acces­si­ble all the same. They were stale ver­sions of the requested data, but this data was sup­pos­edly hugely “con­fi­den­tial”. They were just sit­ting in cyber­space wait­ing for some­one to download.

Charles hypoth­e­sizes that that’s what hap­pened here. No hacker, no mole.

This the­ory could be dis­proved one way or another by the university’s FOI depart­ment. I’m sure that some­one will ask them about their role, if any, in com­pil­ing the zip file.

Doesn’t any­one find it funny that those who posted copi­ous extracts of Nicky Hagar’s book based on really stolen emails are now leap­ing to the defense of these hap­less, cheat­ing, lying sci­en­tists by denounc­ing the release of the doc­u­ments as theft and cit­ing pri­vacy issues. There was no such defense when they pub­lished all the juicy details of Don Brash’s emails.

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billhicks November 24, 2009 at 10:31 am

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I am not a vio­lent per­son but after hear­ing so much about sav­ing the planet,going green,co2,global warm­ing fraud,climate change fraud….I just want to punch the believ­ers of cli­mate fraud in the fuck­ing face.

The Gantt Guy November 24, 2009 at 11:13 am

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Whale, very few peo­ple have the access you do to the party’s power­bro­kers. The best most of us can do is write to our local MP and explain what we will do to them in 2011 if they don’t show enough met­tle to cross the floor and vote against the ETS scam. Can we trust that you are deliv­er­ing that same mes­sage to the party exec­u­tive behind the scenes? I cer­tainly hope so, because if you aren’t (or some­one else isn’t) the and the ETS leg­is­la­tion isn’t voted down (and the exist­ing ETS leg­is­la­tion repealed) the con­se­quences for the econ­omy will be more grave than have so far been revealed.

Henry Sewell November 25, 2009 at 12:44 am

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Cherry pick­ing again, eh Fatso? You for­got to include Mon­biot also said:

But do these rev­e­la­tions jus­tify the scep­tics’ claims that this is “the final nail in the cof­fin” of global warm­ing theory?(8,9) Not at all. They dam­age the cred­i­bil­ity of three or four sci­en­tists. They raise ques­tions about the integrity of one or per­haps two out of sev­eral hun­dred lines of evi­dence. To bury man made cli­mate change, a far wider con­spir­acy would have to be revealed. Luck­ily for the scep­tics, and to my intense dis­ap­point­ment, I have now been passed the damn­ing email which con­firms that the entire sci­ence of global warm­ing is indeed a scam. Had I known that it was this easy to rig the evi­dence, I wouldn’t have wasted years of my life pro­mot­ing a bogus dis­ci­pline. In the inter­ests of open dis­course, I feel obliged to repro­duce it here.

Peter November 24, 2009 at 3:02 pm

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I unashamedly voted National in the last elec­tion. I was so pissed at the lack of val­ues and moral integrity of the Clark govt that I couldn’t wait for them to go. I badly want a ratio­nal , eth­i­cal and moral (not in the prud­ish sense) gov­ern­ment for this coun­try.
Right now I am very depressed about the prospect for this gov­ern­ment. I would really like Key to go at least two terms, but right now I can’t see it. Whats more nor can my friends. I really believe that Nick Smith is just not up to either of his port­fo­lios. His inter­view on the Larry Williams show was right out of the Helen Clark school of pol­i­tics. To be so dis­mis­sive of what is prob­a­bly the great­est scan­dal in the his­tory of sci­ence when so much pol­icy is being for­mu­lated on the basis of this shonky work and that the entire global finan­cial struc­ture is being sub­jected to such mas­sive change is frankly astound­ing. To offer David Wratt (light­weight syn­cho­phant) and Gareth Mor­gans book as sup­port­ive evi­dence shows me that Nick Smith is not very widely read on the sci­ence at all.It seems to me in lis­ten­ing to John Key in his sub­se­quent inter­view in which he talked about ‘no one being happy with the ETS’ that National have greatly under­es­ti­mated the gen­eral pub­lic angst about this.
There is no basis for enact­ing any­thing right now. Now is the time to take a big breath and pause whilst the dust set­tles. The gov­ern­ment could state its inten­tion to com­ply with any inter­na­tional oblig­a­tions once the inter­na­tional com­mu­nity charts its course. One thing is for sure inter­na­tional pub­lic sup­port for the AGW cause is reduc­ing.
Just incase any­one is in doubt I am strongly envi­ron­men­tal and strongly green in a con­ser­va­tion sense, so I sup­port ratio­nal poli­cies for alter­na­tive energy, less depen­dence on fos­sil fuels, etc, etc, it is just that I don’t like gov­ern­ments being hijacked by pub­lic hys­te­ria, or cor­rupt sci­ence, or snake oil sales­men like Al Gore. But, I am not going to hold my breath on this. Recently I was at lunch with a group of ‘lib­eral’ pro­fes­sional peo­ple and took a straw poll of who thought the AGW sci­ence was set­tled and cer­tain. Not one of the dozen peo­ple present was a believer, and these were all very mod­er­ate con­sid­ered peo­ple.
Frankly I don’t think John Key is in con­trol of this agenda.

Berend de Boer November 24, 2009 at 9:50 pm

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Peter, John Clue­less is no dif­fer­ent than Helen Clark. Any­one keep­ing up a lit­tle bit with the blogs knew that. Labour had to go. Unfor­tu­nately the replace­ment isn’t a replac­ing of the policies.

mediatart November 24, 2009 at 6:34 pm

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The NY Times has decided that the emails were pri­vate and tak­ing them was uneth­i­cal so we wont be say­ing what in there.

Hello. never stopped them before, even if they were legit secrets
. So these emails are big­ger secrets than highly clas­si­fied gov­ern­ment programs

The Gantt Guy November 24, 2009 at 8:04 pm

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Henry Sewell: surely, after years of data being cherry-picked from sci­en­tific stud­ies to sup­port the AGW reli­gion, it is time for some ratio­nal debate backed up by real sci­ence (i.e. actual evi­dence, rather than flawed com­puter mod­els)? If by Whale choos­ing a cou­ple of Monbiot’s par­tic­u­larly salient points helps (even in some small way) to bring the world back from the edge of cli­mate insan­ity, then he has done right. BTW, I haven’t gone over to Frog Blog to see if there’s even any dis­cus­sion of this scan­dal, but if there is, I would guar­an­tee they are also cherry pick­ing the pieces they discuss.

The Gantt Guy November 24, 2009 at 8:08 pm

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Peter, I too have always voted National. I will never do so again until they beg Don Brash to return and set them back on the cor­rect (right) course. Until then, cor­rect (right) think­ing peo­ple really have two choices. One is to give their vote to Fool Goff and his merry band of lunatics, poof­tahs and troughers. Not really palat­able. The sec­ond is to give their vote to ACT (or, if you *really* want to make a state­ment, Lib­er­tar­i­anz!). The only way the cur­rent National gov­ern­ment is going to see sense is if they have a strong coali­tion part­ner in ACT. The Brown and Water­melon troughers are cor­rupt­ing what is already a weak gov­ern­ment. Roger Dou­glas for Finance Min­is­ter, anyone?

Chris R November 25, 2009 at 12:19 am

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Today is just sad!

I really won­der if the gov­ern­ment voted that the earth is flat the MSM would sup­port the move. Human beings as supremely rational…yeah right!

ETS is the great­est scam ever..makes Mad­off seem inocuous.

John Lee December 28, 2009 at 2:17 am

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You seem to be miss­ing an impor­tant point. The cli­mate change idea is not fully under­stood but only a closed mind will take from that a point of no con­cern being a viable long term posi­tion.
There are so many other indi­ca­tors that busi­ness as usual is a sui­cide path.
To wal­low in name call­ing of Clark or who­ever is coin­ci­dent with nar­row ide­ol­ogy and falling for the par­rot fash­ion adop­tion of slo­gans and other pro­pa­ganda hype that is a dri­ver of the igno­rant masses think­ing. Look a bit deeper and beyond the world of finance and commerce.

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