This is from George Monbiot one biggest warmists.
It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging. I am now convinced that they are genuine, and I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by them.
Yes, the messages were obtained illegally. Yes, all of us say things in emails that would be excruciating if made public. Yes, some of the comments have been taken out of context. But there are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evidence here of attempts to prevent scientific data from being released, and even to destroy material that was subject to a freedom of information request.
Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication of work by climate sceptics, or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.
I apologise. I was too trusting of some of those who provided the evidence I championed. I would have been a better journalist if I had investigated their claims more closely.
The science is corrupted, it is far from settled. What’s the rush Nick and John? Pull back now.
Even warmist Tim Flannery who confronted on Lateline with the emails of the global warming conspiracy, concedes holes in the “science is settled” argument and admits to what he never has before:
We’re dealing with an incomplete understanding of the way the earth system works… When we come to the last few years when we haven’t seen a continuation of that (warming) trend we don’t understand all of the factors that create earth’s climate…We just don’t understand the way the whole system works… See, these people work with models, computer modelling. So when the computer modelling and the real world data disagree you’ve got a very interesting problem… Sure for the last 10 years we’ve gone through a slight cooling trend.
And on these now-admitted uncertainties we must impose massive new taxes, shut entire industries, hand billions to the Russians and Chinese and change the way we live?
The science isn’t settled.
As for the hacking explanation from the dodgy, cheating scientists. How about this then for an explanation? It meets Occam’s Razor perfectly.
Charles of WUWT offers a new and interesting theory of the file: that the file was not “stolen”, it was “found”. See
here. Charles’ epithet: “Never assume malice where stupidity will do”.Here’s his scenario.
The collation of files was made by the university in connection with the FOI appeal – an appeal that they were going to thoroughly document because of all the publicity during the summer. They then used the intranet server to share the file among interested parties for the FOI review on Nov 13.
And then between Nov 13 and Nov 17, someone came along and found this astonishing file sitting on the server. Sound impossible?
Read last summer’s posts on the “Mole” at CRU. Phil Jones had refused to provide station data claiming that it was covered by all sorts of confidentiality agreements (though he couldn’t find the agreements and couldn’t remember who they were with.
One day in late July, I discovered that they had left station data versions from 2003 and 1996 on their server – without webpage links but accessible all the same. They were stale versions of the requested data, but this data was supposedly hugely “confidential”. They were just sitting in cyberspace waiting for someone to download.
Charles hypothesizes that that’s what happened here. No hacker, no mole.
This theory could be disproved one way or another by the university’s FOI department. I’m sure that someone will ask them about their role, if any, in compiling the zip file.
Doesn’t anyone find it funny that those who posted copious extracts of Nicky Hagar’s book based on really stolen emails are now leaping to the defense of these hapless, cheating, lying scientists by denouncing the release of the documents as theft and citing privacy issues. There was no such defense when they published all the juicy details of Don Brash’s emails.
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I am not a violent person but after hearing so much about saving the planet,going green,co2,global warming fraud,climate change fraud.…I just want to punch the believers of climate fraud in the fucking face.
Whale, very few people have the access you do to the party’s powerbrokers. The best most of us can do is write to our local MP and explain what we will do to them in 2011 if they don’t show enough mettle to cross the floor and vote against the ETS scam. Can we trust that you are delivering that same message to the party executive behind the scenes? I certainly hope so, because if you aren’t (or someone else isn’t) the and the ETS legislation isn’t voted down (and the existing ETS legislation repealed) the consequences for the economy will be more grave than have so far been revealed.
Cherry picking again, eh Fatso? You forgot to include Monbiot also said:
I unashamedly voted National in the last election. I was so pissed at the lack of values and moral integrity of the Clark govt that I couldn’t wait for them to go. I badly want a rational , ethical and moral (not in the prudish sense) government for this country.
Right now I am very depressed about the prospect for this government. I would really like Key to go at least two terms, but right now I can’t see it. Whats more nor can my friends. I really believe that Nick Smith is just not up to either of his portfolios. His interview on the Larry Williams show was right out of the Helen Clark school of politics. To be so dismissive of what is probably the greatest scandal in the history of science when so much policy is being formulated on the basis of this shonky work and that the entire global financial structure is being subjected to such massive change is frankly astounding. To offer David Wratt (lightweight synchophant) and Gareth Morgans book as supportive evidence shows me that Nick Smith is not very widely read on the science at all.It seems to me in listening to John Key in his subsequent interview in which he talked about ‘no one being happy with the ETS’ that National have greatly underestimated the general public angst about this.
There is no basis for enacting anything right now. Now is the time to take a big breath and pause whilst the dust settles. The government could state its intention to comply with any international obligations once the international community charts its course. One thing is for sure international public support for the AGW cause is reducing.
Just incase anyone is in doubt I am strongly environmental and strongly green in a conservation sense, so I support rational policies for alternative energy, less dependence on fossil fuels, etc, etc, it is just that I don’t like governments being hijacked by public hysteria, or corrupt science, or snake oil salesmen like Al Gore. But, I am not going to hold my breath on this. Recently I was at lunch with a group of ‘liberal’ professional people and took a straw poll of who thought the AGW science was settled and certain. Not one of the dozen people present was a believer, and these were all very moderate considered people.
Frankly I don’t think John Key is in control of this agenda.
The NY Times has decided that the emails were private and taking them was unethical so we wont be saying what in there.
Hello. never stopped them before, even if they were legit secrets
. So these emails are bigger secrets than highly classified government programs
Henry Sewell: surely, after years of data being cherry-picked from scientific studies to support the AGW religion, it is time for some rational debate backed up by real science (i.e. actual evidence, rather than flawed computer models)? If by Whale choosing a couple of Monbiot’s particularly salient points helps (even in some small way) to bring the world back from the edge of climate insanity, then he has done right. BTW, I haven’t gone over to Frog Blog to see if there’s even any discussion of this scandal, but if there is, I would guarantee they are also cherry picking the pieces they discuss.
Peter, I too have always voted National. I will never do so again until they beg Don Brash to return and set them back on the correct (right) course. Until then, correct (right) thinking people really have two choices. One is to give their vote to Fool Goff and his merry band of lunatics, pooftahs and troughers. Not really palatable. The second is to give their vote to ACT (or, if you *really* want to make a statement, Libertarianz!). The only way the current National government is going to see sense is if they have a strong coalition partner in ACT. The Brown and Watermelon troughers are corrupting what is already a weak government. Roger Douglas for Finance Minister, anyone?
Peter, John Clueless is no different than Helen Clark. Anyone keeping up a little bit with the blogs knew that. Labour had to go. Unfortunately the replacement isn’t a replacing of the policies.
Today is just sad!
I really wonder if the government voted that the earth is flat the MSM would support the move. Human beings as supremely rational…yeah right!
ETS is the greatest scam ever..makes Madoff seem inocuous.
You seem to be missing an important point. The climate change idea is not fully understood but only a closed mind will take from that a point of no concern being a viable long term position.
There are so many other indicators that business as usual is a suicide path.
To wallow in name calling of Clark or whoever is coincident with narrow ideology and falling for the parrot fashion adoption of slogans and other propaganda hype that is a driver of the ignorant masses thinking. Look a bit deeper and beyond the world of finance and commerce.